PASTORS: HAVE YOU MENTIONED THESE FACTS?

Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin voted against an amendment that would have prohibited federal funding of abortion on demand in all parts of the Obama healthcare bill. (Stupak-Pitts Amendment 11/7/2009)

Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin voted against a bill to require an abortionist to notify at least one parent before performing an abortion on a minor from another state. (S.403, 9/26/2006)

Stephanie Herseth-Sandlin supports abortion on demand.

Will you???

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40 comments for “PASTORS: HAVE YOU MENTIONED THESE FACTS?

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  11. October 29, 2010 at 10:19 pm

    The entire Bible is the actual word of Jesus. Read the Gospel of John, chapter 1. Incidentally, I believe both he and his prophet John the Baptist were glad their mothers didn’t abort them…and so am I.

    • Independent
      October 31, 2010 at 7:05 pm

      Bob,
      You cannot prove anything in your Bible by asking someone to read your Bible, and claiming your Bible proves your point, or somehow validates yoiur claims. That’s circular reasoning, and it makes it impossible to have a legitimate discussion about religion. My Tanakh, for example, doesn’t mention anything about your Bible. And it is every bit as valid as yours, perhpaps more so, becaue my faith reaches back thousands of years, and predates yours by thousands of years.

  12. Ed Randazzo
    October 27, 2010 at 2:55 pm

    Did you read Exodus 20:13? The Old Testament is very much a part of the Bible. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the Old Testament. A hint for you….abortion is murder. An abortion stops a heartbeat.

    • Independent
      October 27, 2010 at 9:26 pm

      The Tanakh. including Exodus was written thousands of years before Jesus was born. As for Exodus 20:13, abortion isn’t murder Ed, but Jesus never said anything about abortion in the New Testament, therefore He never said anything about it. He spoke only in the New Testament. That’s a fact, no matter that you try to claim Jesus was alive before He was born, and therefore is part of the Tanakh, it just wasn’t so.

      • Ed Randazzo
        October 27, 2010 at 9:41 pm

        Abortion is M U R D E R ! ! ! An abortionist stops a human heartbeat. IT IS MURDER ! ! ! Was there the word “abortion” in Greek/Aramaic/Hebrew in use at the time that Jesus walked this earth? Did Jesus use the word “pornography”? Is pornography not a sin because He didn’t use the word? Please bring some intelligence to the table.

        • Independent
          October 28, 2010 at 10:38 pm

          Abortion is not murder. Murder is defined in South Dakota Codified Law, not in your mind, or by your opinion. Murder is what occurred in Kansas when the fundamentalist shot the abortion doctor in church in front of his family, resulting in a unanimous guilty verdict and swift life sentence with no possiblilty of parole for the religious fundamentalist. Abortion is not murder.

          • Ed Randazzo
            October 29, 2010 at 5:45 am

            You employ the most common and simplistic tools to justify your opinions. I will say this once: Repeating a false statement over and over will never make it true. Hereafter as you try this again and again I will simply write “NOT TRUE” so as to save time. As to the murder in Kansas, that was indeed a murder, just as heinous as the murder of an unborn child.

          • Independent
            October 29, 2010 at 10:24 am

            Murder is clearly defined in our state law Ed. And it does not include abortion. It is your opinion abortion is murder. Just as it is your opinion Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. Why are you compelled to “prove” your beliefs and your faith? It is an impossible task.

          • Ed Randazzo
            October 29, 2010 at 6:49 pm

            The laws of the state are corrupted by sinners. The laws of God are not. I am not compeled to prove my beliefs and faith to you, but to be a faithful disciple and ambassador of the Lord Jesus Christ.

          • Independent
            October 29, 2010 at 9:00 pm

            You cannot even prove Jesus approves of what you’re doing. I don’t think He does. I know your actions are not consitent with the teachings of Jesus, and I’m a Jew.

          • Ed Randazzo
            October 30, 2010 at 10:26 pm

            Have you a relationship with Jesus? I don’t think you know Jesus. If you did, you would know better than what you have written. Does the fact that you are a Jew make you a judge of what He has said through His Word…The Holy Bible?

          • Independent
            October 31, 2010 at 7:10 pm

            Jesus’ own people, and their Priests and scholars evaluated his fantastic claims he was the Jewish Messiah and son of God many thousands of years ago and concluded he was not either. Jews obviously believe this even today, and will for the rest of time, and the Messiah will come to earth and prove it one day.

          • Ed Randazzo
            October 31, 2010 at 8:24 pm

            Jesus Christ was the fulfillment of all the prophecies of your Tanakh. Read with an open mind and you will understand.

          • Independent
            November 1, 2010 at 6:44 pm

            Jesus Christ was a misguided Jew, who strayed from the flock. He will be welcomed back when the Messiah comes to earth for all men. You will be too.

          • Ed Randazzo
            November 3, 2010 at 5:44 am

            Jesus Christ WILL return to this earth triumphant to judge ALL as it is written.

          • Independent
            November 5, 2010 at 8:33 pm

            That’s not the way it is written in the Tanakh.

          • Ed Randazzo
            November 5, 2010 at 10:43 pm

            And I should trust your pronouncement as fact? Get over yourself, whoever you are.

          • Independent
            November 8, 2010 at 10:59 am

            Thanks Ed, every time I discuss something with you reinforces my faith in the God of Abraham.

          • Ed Randazzo
            November 8, 2010 at 8:01 pm

            You’re welcome. The God of Abraham and Jesus Christ are God.

      • October 28, 2010 at 12:49 pm

        So human life wasn’t human life when Exodus was written? Come one, Independent: think.

        God made it clear that human life is sacred, created in the image of God. He also makes it clear that he knits us together in the womb, and that he sets in motion a purpose for us long before we are born. Science tells us the human in the womb has a beating heart and nervous system just a few weeks into pregnancy.

        Don’t try to replace God’s wisdom and his commandment to protect innocent human life with human lust for self-centered convenience.

        You would also do well to remember that the Gospel of John makes it clear Jesus was with the Father from the beginning, and created the universe. Remember also that King David said in Psalm 110:1 that God the Father said to David’s lord the Son that someday all his enemies would be a footstool to him.

        One day, you claim Christians, Jews and Muslims all worship the same god. Then on another day, you refuse to believe what both the Old and New Testament say.

        Are you really that confused? Or do you just want to be morally autonomous and live life at the buffet line of truth?

        • Independent
          October 28, 2010 at 11:21 pm

          Bob,
          You really don’t make any sense with your attempt to discredit me. If anyone should refrain from attempting to point out inconsistencies in religion, it should be a fundamentalist Christian of no specific denomination, like yourself. You cherry pick the Tanakh and “New Testament” at will, giving credence only to those scriptures and passages you believe further your agenda. You routinely use circular reasoning, such as this priceless example, “the Gospel of John makes it clear Jesus was with the Father from the beginning, and created the universe.” That takes circular reasoning to another level, claiming a mortal man’s declaration another mortal man he never met who died a hundred years prior was in fact the Creator of our universe! Thats’ truly a fantastic claim.

          My Bible is the absolute truth, because it says so! My Bible can reach back into time and re-write the religion of others, even the Jews who gave us the very God we now worship. No matter the Muslims did exactly what Christians did, created a prophet and branched off of the Jewish faith while still worshipping the Jewish God of Abraham. You have absolutely no biblical history attached to your particular faith, no historical perspective from your church, nothing but your own “born again” beliefs to support your convictions. You cherry pick the history of the Tanakh and the Jewish people, and the Catholic Church to further your own religious agenda. You have no religiouis roots, and for that I offer my empathy.

          When Exodus was written, God breathed a soul into a child at the moment of birth, thus life began at birth, not in the womb, which is a Catholic belief you have lifted from that historical religion. So you’re question about human life being human life at the time Exodus was written, as applied to abortion today is not relevant. Jews still believe God breathes a soul into the newborn at the time of birth, thus life begins then.

          I might note that Jewish scholars and Priests along with the most educated Jewish men in existence at the time Jesus was preaching, (thousands of years before John wrote his letters of second hand knowledge) throughly researched him and his claims he was the Messiah, and using a rigorous and impartial process unanimously discounted Jesus’ claims of divinity. Therefore he is not the Jewish Messiah. When the Messiah comes to the earth, all men will worship and follow Him, and there will be peace on earth among all ment.

          Since you’re into simple rudimentary comparisons, how do you reconcile war against Muslim extremists when the Tanakh clearly says “Thou shall not kill.” And how about capital punishment?

          And once and for all Bob, my Bible is the Tanakh, not your “New Testament.” I don’t consider your “New Testament” to be a holy scripture. You may, but I do not. If you wish to use your “New Testament” against me or my Tanakh, you’re simply chasing your tail. Just as you do when discussing Christianity with Catholics, or Protestants. That’s apparently why you have the mindset you do, that you have all the religious answers to all the great questions. It is the typical fundamentalist approach, and serves no one.

  13. Independent
    October 25, 2010 at 9:10 am

    Abortion is a private matter, between a woman and her God, not you or your prying ego. And the Supreme Court has ruled it is legal, that’s final so in the end it is going to be resolved by God’s judgement not yours. Your behavior is going to be judged one day also, and you shouldn’t be judging anyone else in obvious contradiction of biblical principle. If you had true faith in God you’d be capable of leaving things to Him, even abortion.

    • Ed Randazzo
      October 26, 2010 at 6:07 pm

      An abortion stops a beating heart. It is a state-sanctioned murder. God will judge me and I don’t need the sort of you to tell me that. He will judge you too.

      • Independent
        October 26, 2010 at 9:57 pm

        There’s not a single word about abortion in the Scriptures from which you claim to draw your inspiration from. Jesus never uttered a word about abortion, so you’ve apparently based your on fundementalist rhetoric.

        • Ed Randazzo
          October 27, 2010 at 5:27 am

          WRONG………….Please see Exodus 20:13.

          • Independent
            October 27, 2010 at 8:49 am

            Correct me if I’m wrong Ed, but Exodus isn’t in the New Testament. It’s in the Tanakh, and has nothing in the world to do with the words of Jesus. Jesus was mum on abortion. Sorry, but that’s a fact.

          • Independent
            October 28, 2010 at 11:25 pm

            Abortion isn’t murder.

          • Ed Randazzo
            October 29, 2010 at 5:48 am

            NOT TRUE

          • Independent
            October 29, 2010 at 10:27 am

            Thanks for sharing your opinion Ed.

          • Independent
            October 29, 2010 at 10:30 am

            You base your views on abortion on one sentence written in the Five Books of Moses in the Tanakh? Surely you can find something in the “New Testament,” in the actual words of Jesus to support your opinions on abortion? Many before you have tried and failed. It’s just not there.

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